tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post7814013247604966521..comments2023-09-09T01:01:15.645+10:00Comments on emunctory: Violence against womenunique_stephenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01137046158732977521noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-20708268405217082752010-11-26T10:41:24.494+11:002010-11-26T10:41:24.494+11:00For what it's worth, I'm with Craig. And P...For what it's worth, I'm with Craig. And Pants.<br /><br />By the way, doesn't whingeing about being a marginalised (wtf?) man make you less manly? Just saying.The Black Sea Patrol Boat Captainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04159214240467098399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-28016786371683351052010-11-20T15:20:02.188+11:002010-11-20T15:20:02.188+11:00Hahahaha! This is great!Hahahaha! This is great!Koopshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08237584261818518594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-2084225949140793052010-11-19T10:27:16.137+11:002010-11-19T10:27:16.137+11:00I think I officially love you now.
xxI think I officially love you now.<br /><br />xxFridayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918057972294558056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-35203484440542133322010-11-19T09:03:04.059+11:002010-11-19T09:03:04.059+11:00oh Lady Pants you rocked my world. i have to go ch...oh Lady Pants you rocked my world. i have to go check out ya blog xemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871064621230124223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-15014908964747609902010-11-18T17:37:10.534+11:002010-11-18T17:37:10.534+11:00ps excuse horrendous typos. I'm snotty and hal...ps excuse horrendous typos. I'm snotty and hallucinating slightly. And I don't 'do' editing xLady Pantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801856569044231436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-44419736214099259782010-11-18T17:19:54.032+11:002010-11-18T17:19:54.032+11:00Memphis, Doll, there are no 'leaders' of t...Memphis, Doll, there are no 'leaders' of the feminist movement. It's not like we have a election. You'll note that the feminists who are most easily conjured in the public consciousness are those whose views are most passionate, extreme and offensive to the masses (whomever the 'masses' maybe). It's a media/politics thing. Pisses people off and makes for good viewing.<br /><br />I don't know much about this legal finding you quote, and thus am not in a position to discuss it with any degree of authority.<br /><br />I happen to be a GENDER - its not call "women's" - studies major from one of Australia's most revered universities. This does not make me anymore of an expert on feminism than the next schmoo on the street, but it has given me an insight to the face of contemporary australian feminism,in its academic context. Funnily enough we actually talked a lot about men, and how the modern world fails them. One of the subjects I enjoyed the most and performed the best in was entitled "Cultures of Masculinity". We spoke about the different incarnations of the male in Australian society, the difficulties and the pleasures, the visceral and the cerebral expressions of manhood, and the ways in which feminism could support men to have a more authentic experience of themselves as something other than a product of their gonads.<br /><br />We don't hate men. We want male voices in this discussion. We want solutions for humankind, not just for women. <br /><br />Women's/GENDER studies doesn't have textbooks, btw, even at an elementary level. I read papers, like any other academic, with the occasional classic text thrown in (Judith Butler's "Bodies that Matter", brilliantly written with solid logic) springs to mind.<br /><br />Greer was never on own reading lists, although, funnily enough I am reading "The Female Eunuch" presently. There are some excellent points raised in the book, and there is cringe-worthy reactionary dribble as well. I read it as a historical text, situated in another place and time. I read it with a knowledge of Greer's character. Like the two Steves, She does't mind stirring the pot and getting a rise. But feminism Greer ain't. She's just another feminist. Like me.<br /><br />Thanks for all the big-ups guys. Nothing like a good old gender politics debate to get me back into ze blogging spirit. <br /><br />Stephen rest assured I would provide you with your new sphincter with all the delicacy you could expect from me. That is, not terribly much.<br /><br />x LPLady Pantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801856569044231436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-16330412893754885392010-11-18T16:25:13.844+11:002010-11-18T16:25:13.844+11:00Thanks Smack, Steve, Lady Pants, Craig, et alii.
...Thanks Smack, Steve, Lady Pants, Craig, et alii. <br /><br />It's an issue that I think is deserved of some air. And yes, Lady Pants is the best. I've a solid blog crush on her. Wrangling sexual politics with Lady is our foreplay. One day we'll get it together to consummate our relationship with a real life beer and an argument. I feel tingly in anticipation. <br />(just privately I think she'll tear me a new one).<br /><br />For the record:<br />The greater part of the feminist philosophy and moment I agree with, mostly. I'm certainly all for "equality", especially in pay, health, work, education, political access, social leadership, the list goes on. I can't really say I'm uncomfortable with any of the massive gains that women have made in society. But as I said above - I don't hold that the loose affiliations of ideas collected under the banner of feminism are necessarily the only valid points of view on sex and gender and I do think that, at worst there is a misandric flavor to feminism and at best that there are mens issues that are being ignored because they are not "PC" - If you don't think it is important have a read of Maggie Hamilton's Book - What's Happening To Our Boys? or just about anything by Warren Farrell. As an avowed atheist I'm uncomfortable with some of the religion peddled through Paul Nathanson and Katherine K. Young's books but, along with Farrell they should be standard reading for any gender studies adherent.<br /><br />So yes, I don't think it hurts to call out misandry, after all: men are good.unique_stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137046158732977521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-5800817838184121952010-11-18T14:39:18.515+11:002010-11-18T14:39:18.515+11:00This is a great thread Steve. It's allowed peo...This is a great thread Steve. It's allowed people of both arguments to have a say. That's what I like about Blogging. IT allows a platform for (mature) argument between people that are not politicians - but community members.<br /><br />Craig, I think your opinions are brilliant. If/when you decide to blog, or have a blog, I'd be happy to stop by and have a read.<br /><br />Lady Pants! You're the best!<br /><br />Cheers<br />CMs Smackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02921397003809292438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-32078772137954440642010-11-18T13:56:43.261+11:002010-11-18T13:56:43.261+11:00Sorry mate, I'd rather go home and hug my girl...Sorry mate, I'd rather go home and hug my girls. Craig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-7517835328464817112010-11-18T13:13:18.641+11:002010-11-18T13:13:18.641+11:00Here, this is for Lady Pants.
Here's Tammy B...Here, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJnDJdYb36k" rel="nofollow">this</a> is for Lady Pants. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzRCMrU47GE" rel="nofollow">Here</a>'s Tammy Bruce, former leader of NOW in Los Angeles, talking about how feminism has changed for the worse.<br /><br />And finally, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmqwENQwNR8" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a reading of statements from the leaders of the feminist movement and authors of womens studies textbooks demonstrating exactly what feminism is about.<br /><br />And just for the heck of it, there's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXeszLlTX5E" rel="nofollow">this</a>Memphishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636056194130886380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-41934188003252050412010-11-18T13:09:03.285+11:002010-11-18T13:09:03.285+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Memphishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636056194130886380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-84387800112374436252010-11-18T10:27:09.582+11:002010-11-18T10:27:09.582+11:00Sorry Memphis, you're stepping over the line w...Sorry Memphis, you're stepping over the line when you talk about me raising sons who will be second class citizens. That just shows how closed your eyes are - you haven't heard a word I've said. I advocate equal rights for all. <br />No gender, no race divide. <br /><br />No point talking any further with me mate, you're wasting your breath. Like I said, all the best. Subject closed for me. Craig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-51928481409454507032010-11-18T10:18:36.064+11:002010-11-18T10:18:36.064+11:00LadyPants, The version of feminism that currently ...LadyPants, The version of feminism that currently dominates Washington D.C., the United Nations, and Australia, too, is by no means any pretense of an equal rights movement. In fact, it was an Australian court that recently ruled that CEDAW, the feminist UN treaty the Australian government happily signed, does not mandate equality of the sexes under the law, but active discrimination against males. If that's backwoods to you then I'd be curious to know what you consider mainstream, because that's what's dominating most Western nations' policies right this second. And that's the law for all of Australia. That's why more and more women, including many who once called themselves feminists, are today fighting against it.<br /><br />Craig, no need to get nasty? I wasn't even talking to you when you started in on me, declaring that anything I had to say was 'unsupported facts.' Anything that doesn't perfectly coincide with your dogma, or more accurately your wife's dogma, you casually dismiss without bothering to consider, apparently. Unique_Stephen can provide you with plenty of facts that don't fit the feminist dogma, as can I. But what good does it do when your mind is made up and your eyes are closed? I hope you only have daughters, because any son you have is growing up in a world in which he is a second class citizen at best, and if he's white he's even less than that. And you are enabling it.<br /><br />Does your feminist wife have any books written by the leaders of the feminist movement? Stephen mentioned one author you should read first thing: Marilyn French. Just take a quick peek into a few of her books, or Catherine Mackinnon, or Gloria Steinem even. It might open your eyes just a crack to what feminism really means. I'll give you a hint, fully supported by those same books which you can verify for yourself, modern feminism is not about equality of the sexes.Memphishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636056194130886380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-88483303712029433182010-11-18T08:42:10.362+11:002010-11-18T08:42:10.362+11:00No need to get nasty Memphis. I don't need to ...No need to get nasty Memphis. I don't need to get laid - I have a beautiful, feminist wife who I adore and she adores me. My priority is that my daughters grow up in a world where they are regarded as equals, where feminism isn't a dirty word. But thanks for reducing my heartfelt beliefs to "feminist ass kissing". Charming mate. You just summed up why feminism is so important in a few words. All the best. Craig.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-963795983993975912010-11-18T08:40:54.580+11:002010-11-18T08:40:54.580+11:00Yes Mistress.Yes Mistress.unique_stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137046158732977521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-39458604986291080562010-11-18T08:16:13.452+11:002010-11-18T08:16:13.452+11:00Really? I was just thinking Craig and I could tota...Really? I was just thinking Craig and I could totally make out.<br /><br />Wise up. Feminism (well my version anyway) is about creating a world where neither males nor females are subjected to gender specific/heteronormative assumptions. Kinda like the whole "all men bash women" thing. As a cultural and political construct, feminism is fluid and multifaceted. You're fighting a 1970s version, which for the most part no longer exists. Or at least it isn't the majority view. Get out if the backwoods and get with the program.Lady Pantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801856569044231436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-85001164926197083962010-11-17T21:28:15.474+11:002010-11-17T21:28:15.474+11:00That was a great video Steve.
I think that its t...That was a great video Steve. <br /><br />I think that its typically the same as White Ribbon Day actually, except guys grow a mo, (wear a ribbon) for a cause they believe in (testicular cancer) and amazing, women (not men) appear in the video supporting them.<br /><br />I can't see any chicks saying 'omg, I'm not supporting that cos it's just for guys balls' they're targeting CANCER, the same as White Ribbon Day is targeting VIOLENCE.<br /><br />Just sayin'Ms Smackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02921397003809292438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-14864848584050939782010-11-17T11:24:48.919+11:002010-11-17T11:24:48.919+11:00Just found a day I can support.Just found <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvNIr-F4-Y&feature" rel="nofollow">a day I can support.</a>unique_stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137046158732977521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-53911222807045336272010-11-17T11:04:30.978+11:002010-11-17T11:04:30.978+11:00steve: You'e drawing lines and though you didn...steve: You'e drawing lines and though you didn't ask people to step over them and pick sides, they will. then you say fuck you to the day that brings light to the violence in this world. <br /><br />so what if it brings to light violence against WOMEN. If it stops one person from violence...isn't it worth it. <br /><br />It's easy to say fuck you, when violence wasn't or isn't an everyday occurance. And especially of it wasn't your sister, cousin, mother...wife or daughter that was the victim of that violence. <br /><br />It's a great day to support...most likely very many good men support it and helped make it the day it is. <br /><br />don't be like the child that screams..."she got a day, why haven't I?" As if it was an extra scoop of ice scream on her cone. <br /><br />when it comes to measuring how full the cup of men is compared to the cup of women...look at history, which cup seems to pour over it's brim. <br /><br />I know the point you are trying to make...it just was not made well. maybe if you would have left out the fuck you...well. <br /><br />any day that brings awarness to stop violence is great...weather it be for women, men, children...animals...etc. <br /><br />steve that is my opinion...but I still love you. xxxSpiky Zora Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09283587481327552086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-68492404173146180062010-11-17T10:41:26.761+11:002010-11-17T10:41:26.761+11:00And to Memphis Steve - sorry mate, what "gove...And to Memphis Steve - sorry mate, what "government-mandated male-bashing" - do you mean men getting paid more than women or them holding more positions of power in big business/politics? <br /><br />What "war on males" is "fully underway"? Actually don't bother answering that. I don't want to hear a heap of unsupported facts. Talk about sweeping statements. Why don't we just put all women back in the kitchen so that our precious little male egos remain protected? Delusional. <br /><br />As for the husband murderers and sex offenders who mutilate their husbands being celebrated for their crimes...I'd hardly call arrests, losing all your money, reputation and prison terms being "celebrated" for crimes. Most of these women were driven to their excessive, illegal acts from years of abuse. <br /><br />We can't make our own gender stronger by slagging off the other gender. It just makes us weak and naive. It's like holding someone's head underwater while we punch the air with victory. <br /><br />Equal rights for all. <br /><br />ALL. No question. No gender divide. <br /><br />ALL.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15266492757441386359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-46272057898474084522010-11-17T09:53:10.967+11:002010-11-17T09:53:10.967+11:00You can air your opinions with impunity. Doesn'...You can air your opinions with impunity. Doesn't make them logical. <br /><br />What is wrong with feminism being an influential political force? Do you know that most women still don't earn as much as men? In some countries, women are still not entitled to vote? <br /><br />Why does feminism have to redefine men? That's like me saying the black man can't vote because he stifles the white man's rights. It's bull mate. <br /><br />Everyone deserves equal rights. Like it or not there are some members of our gender who are violent and the victims of this behaviour need to be supported by the men who represent our gender with dignity. <br /><br />I will never understand men believing that women can't express their gender rights without feeling that it is impinging on their own. It is delusional. I have daughters - I want them to have equal rights. If god forbid a man ever hurts one of them and I don't get to him first, I'd wear a ribbon with pride.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15266492757441386359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-8116869497098421612010-11-17T00:29:01.177+11:002010-11-17T00:29:01.177+11:00DOG3OY > I don't know mate - those three wo...DOG3OY > I don't know mate - those three women you support are all potential survivors of your violent self - better get along and buy that ribbon and make a public vow.<br /><br />Mrs Pants > Your blog is eating my comments and mine is regurgitating yours?? There are so many metaphors to mine from that but I'll leave them buried there.<br /><br />My point is that from where I see it, the vast majority of men are particularly good.<br /><br />And no I'm not ashamed by being a man, stereotypical or otherwise. Rather, I'm rarely happier than when I embrace my masculinity either with considered reflection or primal urgency. What I wont do is stand to be slandered by Marilyn French's brush without calling it for what it is.<br /><br />It is good to see your ever awesome self back.<br /><br />Steve > Mate, until the electorate is prepared to vote for a athiest *Cyrenaic headonist x-stripper I'm not sure I'd have a particularity long political carer. <br /><br />* I'm not necessarily a signed up member of the Cyrenaic Epistemology<br /><br /><br />Craig > It's more that this one is a <a href="http://www.redrag.net/2005/11/24/violence-against-women/" rel="nofollow">Red Rag</a> issue for me.<br /><br />Feminism is one of the most influential political forces working today - damned if I'm going to stand by whilst it tries to redefine men, masculinity and purports itself to be the only valid point of view on gender issues that are selfishly important to me. I don't for a moment believe that my views have any currency - but in this - my own little soapbox, I will air them with impunity. <br /><br />Whilst I do have views on the issues around sex, gender, libido and a range of sex related social issues that I'm passionate about talking around, they are immaterial to this thesis. <br /><br />Emma > Yeah, I'm happy to support anti violence, just not in a way that is divisive and hurtfully cultural stereotyping of men.<br /><br />Friday > He wasn't nicking the last cold beer in the fridge was he?, cauz that's be a low act deserved of a clip upside his head.<br /><br />Would you still be crushing on me if you knew I liked wankey imported beer (Italian tonight) and have just found my first gray hair?unique_stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137046158732977521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-29635039388362757492010-11-16T13:23:20.828+11:002010-11-16T13:23:20.828+11:00I agree with Miss Smack on this one.
I have been ...I agree with Miss Smack on this one.<br /><br />I have been on both sides of the coin. I have been belted by my husband and I have belted a bloke.<br /><br />Either way, its a cunt act and I hate myself for it. <br /><br />Its all about behaviour and about self control.<br /><br />Good post and an excellent topic piece, its a sensitive issue.<br /><br />xx<br /><br />Ps - can I just say Im so crushing on you right now!! Yr passion does things to meeeeeeee :PFridayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14918057972294558056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-60341661154391222532010-11-16T11:18:14.208+11:002010-11-16T11:18:14.208+11:00Some men are "good". Some men aren't...Some men are "good". Some men aren't. Some women are "good". Some women aren't. Nothing wrong with raising money for those affected by the not so good men, it's all for a good cause. I like the idea of taking action to prevent violence against men as well or making it a "against violence full stop" ribbon. I don't see why it has to be one or the other. Having said that, I would still buy a ribbon. Don't see why those people should miss out just because society hasn't quite caught up yet. Why does it have to be one or the other?emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871064621230124223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14470721.post-78141135613440698862010-11-16T08:22:47.515+11:002010-11-16T08:22:47.515+11:00seems a bit dramatic mate. are you on your rags?
...seems a bit dramatic mate. are you on your rags? <br /><br />i don't think the ribbon is being sold as "hit a man instead of a woman", it's just highlighting a cause. not to the detriment of the other. <br /><br />do something with your anger. write to the prime minister, write to the charity and raise these questions. make a donation to a men's organisation. <br /><br />this idea that men are somehow being downtrodden by women getting equal rights is just rubbish. you want to talk about equal rights? try being a woman for the past 500 years. as for the basic rights of men being marginilised - laugh! as homer simpson says, "i'm a white, middle aged male, my opinion is the only one that matters". and yes, this was written by a bloke. <br /><br />marginilised rights - do you mean not getting a root when you want it? yeah you're right, that's just like not getting the vote for hundreds of years. <br /><br />yikes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15266492757441386359noreply@blogger.com